Category Archives: Israel/Palestine

Jewish Joke to study Talmund: Two men came down the same Chimmeny

Deception, overloading, obliterating truth, pseudo science.

Rabbi Joseph Telushkin, whose writings have been a blessing to many of us, recounts this story of Talmudic logic in his book Jewish Humor: What The Best Jewish Jokes Say About the Jews:

A young man in his mid-twenties knocks on the door of the noted scholar Rabbi Shwartz. “My name is Sean Goldstein,” he says. “I’ve come to you because I wish to study Talmud.”

“Do you know Aramaic?” the rabbi asks.

“No,” replies the young man.

“Hebrew?” asks the Rabbi.

“No,” replies the young man again.

“Have you studied Torah?” asks the Rabbi, growing a bit irritated.

“No, Rabbi. But don’t worry. I graduated Berkeley summa cum laude in philosophy, and just finished my doctoral dissertation at Harvard on Socratic logic. So now, I would just like to round out my education with a little study of the Talmud.”

“I seriously doubt,” the rabbi says, “that you are ready to study Talmud. It is the deepest book of our people. If you wish, however, I am willing to examine you in logic, and if you pass that test I will teach you Talmud.”

The young man agrees.

Rabbi Shwartz holds up two fingers. “Two men come down a chimney. One comes out with a clean face, the other comes out with a dirty face. Which one washes his face?”

The young man stares at the rabbi. “Is that the test in logic?”

The rabbi nods.

”The one with the dirty face washes his face,“ he answers wearily.

“Wrong. The one with the clean face washes his face. Examine the simple logic.The one with the dirty face looks at the one with the clean face and thinks his face is clean. The one with the clean face looks at the one with the dirty face and thinks his face is dirty. So the one with the clean face washes his face.”

“Very clever,” Goldstein says. “Give me another test.”

The rabbi again holds up two fingers. “Two men come down a chimney. One comes out with a clean face, the other comes out with a dirty face. Which one washes his face?”

“We have already established that. The one with the clean face washes his face.”

“Wrong. Each one washes his face. Examine the simple logic. The one with the dirty face looks at the one with the clean face and thinks his face is clean. The one with the clean face looks at the one with the dirty face and thinks his face is dirty. So the one with the clean face washes his face. When the one with the dirty face sees the one with the clean face wash his face, he also washes his face. So each one washes his face.”

“I didn’t think of that,” says Goldstein. It’s shocking to me that I could make an error in logic. Test me again.”

The rabbi holds up two fingers. “Two men come down a chimney. One comes out with a clean face, the other comes out with a dirty face. Which one washes his face?”

“Each one washes his face.”

“Wrong. Neither one washes his face. Examine the simple logic. The one with the dirty face looks at the one with the clean face and thinks his face is clean. The one with the clean face looks at the one with the dirty face and thinks his face is dirty. But when the one with the clean face sees the one with the dirty face doesn’t wash his face, he also doesn’t wash his face. So neither one washes his face.”

Goldstein is desperate. “I am qualified to study Talmud. Please give me one more test.”

He groans, though, when the rabbi lifts two fingers. “Two men come down a chimney. One comes out with a clean face, the other comes out with a dirty face. Which one washes his face?”

“Neither one washes his face.”

“Wrong. Do you now see, Sean, why Socratic logic is an insufficient basis for studying Talmud? Tell me, how is it possible for two men to come down the same chimney, and for one to come out with a clean face and the other with a dirty face? Don’t you see? The whole question is “narishkeit”, foolishness, and if you spend your whole life trying to answer foolish questions, all your answers will be foolish, too.”

May we all have the wisdom to ask, and answer, the wise questions!

http://kolaleph.org/2013/01/16/the-rabbi-is-in-two-men-come-down-the-same-chimney/

Why Is An Israeli Organization Helping “Refugees” Invade Europe?

The remarkable webzine The New Observer has emerged as an invaluable aggregator of news stories documenting aspects of the immivasion of Europe and America. Israel Officially Aids 3rd World Invasion November 22, 2015 supplies a disturbing story about the activities of IsraAID an Israeli parastatal, which boasts Israel’s Ministry Of Foreign Affairs as a Donor.

To the refugees it doesn’t matter that we’re Israeli by Abigail Klein Lachman Israel21c September 20 2015 is a tear-jerker about IsraAID’s work to facilitate the current invasion of Europe (which, it notes inadvertently, is not merely from Syria):

In addition to Iraq and Syria, there are refugees from countries including Afghanistan, Pakistan, Sudan and Somalia. Most of the 10 IsraAID staffers and volunteers currently on the ground in Greece and Serbia/Croatia are Arabic speakers, including an Arab-Israeli nurse, social worker and psychologist…

IsraAID also is providing food, water, blankets and “Journey of Hope” relief kits to refugees in Greece and Serbia. The kits contain personal-hygiene items, warm accessories and maps.

http://www.vdare.com/posts/why-is-an-israeli-organization-helping-refugees-invade-europe

Jew stabs Jew, Arab stabs Arab

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Palestinian girls stab Arab man, 70, in Jerusalem terror attack

Two Arab female teens identified as attackers were shot after slashing at people near the busy outdoor market with scissors, according to police.

One victim was identified as a 70-year-old Palestinian resident of Bethlehem with stab wounds to his upper body.

My advice for Israel’s survival

This came after a long and exhausting argument with Israel supporters in which I refused to accept Palestinians don’t exist.

Gentelmen, it’s been fun. Thank you for the engagement. I have work to do, and I need to leave this alternate reality into which you are doggedly trying to drag me.

I’ve written this before, but here’s my advice for Israel’s survival:

1) Face your history. Stop the double-talk, lies, distortions, overloading, reframing. You need to do it.

2) You are now a landed people. Develop Duty, Honor, Sacrifice because those are the ethics that allow you to defend yourself. You have it. But punish (or as a bare minimum, stop subsidizing) the parts of your society which parasite on the sacrific of others.

3) Declare your goddamn borders. Israel is the only country without declared borders. This, plus the thousands [this may be an exaggeration] of statements by Israeli leaders encouraging ethnic cleansing is the reason so many people (me) remain suspicious of Israel’s intentions — see the graphic at the top of the conversation.

(Defend your borders both against the Arabs and against the parts of your society who publically advocate expansion to the Euphrates river.)

4) Ween yourself off direct western subsity. It creates resentment and puts at risk the political support which is very important to Israel.

5) Make peace with your neighbors.

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Some excerpts:

>You can blame Israel, hate Israel, explain that Arabs don’t really want to destroy Israel, etc. All that would be very noble. But seriously expect a suicide of the whole nation? — It’s not noble, it’s stupid smile emoticon

> I had no doubts that my refusal to deny the existence of Palestinians would very quickly be interpreted as “so you want to destroy Israel.”

It happens almost every time.

>Show us something which demonstrates that a palestinian arab nation existed before 1947.

>This is a great slight of hand. You’re pretending that I’m talking about modest claims to property claims. I’m talking about this:

“We must expel Arabs and take their places.”
— David Ben Gurion, 1937

[He came back by stating it’s a fake quote. I don’t have the time to check (perhaps that was his goal) but it doesn’t seem fake. It is cited down to a page number, and consistent with dozens of other quotes for Ben Gurion and other Israeli leaders.]

>This was Gaza after WW1 , occupied by the british troops, as you can see few houses , a small village, that’s it. Now they are 2 millions…..

>You are presenting a single photograph of a town and concluding from it that Gaza was uninhabited?

What the hell is wrong with you???

First of all, it’s a town. It looks like a normal town and in no way indicates an absence of people.

Second of all, if it did indicated an absence of people, it’s one damn photograph. It is another enormous sweep of dishonesty to extrapolate from one photo a statement about an entire region.

https://www.facebook.com/rskaskiw/posts/10103376324231119?comment_id=10103382220604739&ref=notif&notif_t=like

The Haredi in Israel

If you want to hold land, you need to solve the prisoner’s dilemma problem faced by soldiers — namely problem of each individual soldier’s life being best if everybody EXCEPT him, does his job. Cultures usually solve the prisoner’s dilemma with elaborate ideas of duty, honor, selflessness and sacrifice, plus the punishment of those who violate these ideals.

I don’t know whether or not the cost of defense has gotten cheaper, or if it only seems that way. In any case, this video about Haredis in Israel is a good case study. Israel needs to hold land.